So Todd Payten is out of contract as our coach come the end of 2026.
2018 13th 8 Paul Green
2019 14th 9 Paul Green
2020 14th 5 Paul
Green/Josh Hannay
2021 15th 7 Todd
Payten
2022 3rd 17 Todd
Payten
2023 11th 12 Todd
Payten
2024 5th 15 Todd
Payten
2025 12th 9 (1) Todd
Payten
2026* 11th 4 Todd
Payten
Winning % by coaches
Paul Green 52.4%
Todd Payten 50.4%
Graham Murray 49.8%
Neil Henry 46.8%
Tim Sheens 29.4%
Graham
Lowe 28.6%
Murray Hust 22.4%
Josh Hannay 20%
Ian Millward 14.3%
Grant Bell 8.7%
I think a few things are pretty clear from this
- Todd
walked into a struggling club – 3 years on the bounce with no final footy.
In his 5 full seasons with the club, he’s taken us to the finals twice.
That’s a massive positive
- 2022
was a high point that we’ve struggled to reproduce since. That’s a
negative
- Todd is our second most successful coach ever (by winning % at least)
So there’s lots of good things here. Two finals runs
(and they were good finals runs – wins in both campaigns, 1 prelim, 1 semi).
Turning around a club that was on the doldrums. A winning % of over 50%
Now personally, I think our recruitment and retention has been poor over the last few years, and that’s limited our growth and development. Tom Gilbert, Kulikefu Finefuiaki, Reece Robson, Val Holmes and Hamiso Tabuai-Fidow all left in their prime. Meanwhile Jordan McLean, Kyle Feldt & Chad Townsend all came off the salary cap. Granted we did pick up Tommy Dearden (keeping in mind he only player 32 games for Brisbane, and arrived an unpolished gem) and Reed Mahoney was added this year. Other than that we’ve largely been recruiting journeymen, who have pinged between a few clubs having never really found a home – Burns, Paulo, Bateman, Lodge, McIntyre, O’Donnell, Mikaele. Now I’m not saying these guys aren’t capable of some solid footy, but rather they don’t walk in the door as established first grade regulars. I’m sure they were fairly cheap to recruit for exactly that reason. Not all will prove to be diamonds, and many will in fact prove to be rocks.
I am though wondering why we haven’t been able to recruit a few more high profile players during this period? Yes we had to upgrade contracts for Dearden, Cotter, Luki & Nanai, but Val was on massive dollars. As was Chad. Surely between them and the others who left there would have been salary cap room to bring in a couple more quality established first graders?
Hence me thinking recruitment & retention is broken. A lack of quality coming in, too much quality seeping out.
The question is though how much of that can be put down to Todd? I think the coach is a significant factor in decisions around players choosing to join and which players to chase. But equally dollars, location, family issues & the likelihood of onfield glory are major factors in any contract decsisions. And going to the out-of-sight out-of-mind Cowboys, 2000+ kilometers away, and running south of mid-table, probably isn’t high on the radar of too many players.
The other factor in all of this – who exactly do we bring in as coach if we do sack Todd? Willie Peters had a strong CV, but has joined PNG, Hannay seemed a logical fit, but is now entrenched at the Gold Coast. There’s been some good noise around Dean Young for a while (and he spent time up here during a good spell for the club) but it’s not a great time to be associated with the Dragons. Walters would be there and about. Maybe we could lure Slater into the role? We’d want to have someone good in the frame before we go swinging axes. And Dean Young is unlikely given he's the interim at Saints.
So long story short: It’s complex. Todd has
done some good things during his time, and has carved out a solid record. But
equally the team really doesn’t have a clear trajectory and seems to be stuck
in a groove of mediocrity.
Decisions need to be made. And I think it something of a coin toss.

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